Monday, September 24, 2007

Blog #4

Textbook



1. What were the major components of the ideology of "true womanhood?" How was this ideology linked to the class structure of early nineteenth-century America?


The major components of "true womanhood" are that men and women were considered to be totally different from one another. The women were not allowed to do the jobs that men generally did. They were only allowed to take care of the house, their kids and their husbands. All the taking care of the house, their kids and their husbands was not considered as job. But more of a thing that made them women. As in it was a given that they had to do all they did in order to be considered as a woman. The early nineteenth-century class structure in America is that high class women were supposed to look pretty, take care of their husbands, kids and home. The middle class and lower class women were supposed to work and take care of their husbands, kids and home.



2. What is the significance of the Lowell mill girls in the history of U.S. women and work? What were the implications of the decline of the Lowell system?


The significance of the Lowell mill girls is that they were giving an optimistic view of industrial life. As in it was good for everyone to work there. They basically did the same things they would do at home. Which was to sew. So now there were factories where they can go and do the same things only easier than by sewing with their hands. The women also were able to write and get their written materials published in their magazine. This helped most of these women to end up having a writing career.The implications of the decline was that the economic pressures were at
fault for the decline for the Lowell system. Because the owners of the factories thought that since the workers were women it would not matter if they started cutting their paychecks. But they underestimated the women. Instead these women started striking. This was unheard of during this time.



Textbook document



1. What is Sanger’s view of the moral nature of women?


Dr. Sanger believed that the prostitutes were victims themselves, because he could not believe that any woman would willingly have sex for money, also have sex out of marriage. He believes they were victims, because they were forced to become prostitutes by the circumstances of their lives. The circumstances were from starvation of themselves and their kids to being violated. He had a middle class view of prostitutes. Also his view of woman in general was of the middle class. Which was mainly that a woman would not willingly have sex outside of the marriage, and also get payed. And if a woman actually does have sex outside of the marriage and also has sex and gets payed willingly than they were not worth considering and mentioning.


2. What does Sanger think are the cause and consequences of prostitution for women?


Dr. Sanger thinks the causes and consequences of women becoming prostitutes is that their life circumstances cause them to become prostitutes. The list of the reasons he got from prostitutes when he did his research is that they were seduced and abandoned, they drink and want to drink, they were badly treated by their parents, husbands and relatives. They were surrounded by the wrong people. Other prostitutes convinced them to become prostitutes as well. They were violated. These were the causes of why women became prostitutes. The consequences were that these women would end up getting sexually transmitted diseases. If they wanted to get out of this occupation they could not, because no one would hire them or except them.



3. How do Sanger’s conclusions about prostitution reflect the values of his own day?


Dr. Sanger's conclusions about prostitution reflects the values of his own day by his view of prostitutes is the same sometimes with the views of prostitution by the society at that time. Meaning he had sympathy with those women who were forced to be prostitutes. But when the woman willingly chose to be a prostitute as in she had no reason too. She didn't need the money
for food or to take care of her family, she wasn't forced by people around her to be a prostitute. Dr. Sanger did not sympathise with these women. Because in his beliefs no woman would willingly become a prostitute, and also have sex outside of marriage. That is what the values of his time were.

4 comments:

Deveron said...

PR#1 To Blog #4

Hi Rubina,

Q1. I don't agree the ideology of 'true womanhood' had anything to do with men and women being different. Though that was a likely implication - that women believed they were inherently different and less intelligent than men.

I believe women, especially the middle to upper class and those who grew to accept the supposed shortcomings of their gender, created the ideology of “true womanhood” as a means of preserving dignity. It’s a common reaction for a group of people, denigrated by their race, gender, religion or any other criteria, to seek the self-esteem they aren’t receiving from others. I believe it is human nature to solve prejudice by acceptance and then re-invention.

I hope I am explaining this well. I have a visual mind and can’t always find the words to describe my thoughts. ;)

Q2. I do agree the experience of the Lowell Mill Girls was positive and gave them a view of the world and work they wouldn't otherwise experience. I don’t agree they were doing the same things as they would at home. That was the point – they were meeting other girls/women, some from faraway cities, and living away from home – the excitement of being on your own and feeling grown up.

I think it very significant the girls/women decided to protest, as you pointed out and I consider it a milestone in the history of women working in the U.S. I’m impressed with the strength of character they must have had to stand up to the factory owners.

Part II Q1. I believe Sanger was well aware women were capable of having sex outside of marriage or sex for money. I can’t help but wonder if his belief in females as virtuous and pure yet weak and dependant, was wishful thinking on his part.

He had sympathy for those he considered to have a valid excuse for prostituting. But I wasn’t impressed with his sympathy because I felt he oscillated a bit on what constituted a valid excuse – almost as if he considered himself judge and jury.

Q2. You make good points on the cause and consequences but I would like to add that many prostitutes in the mid 19th century didn’t live very long. The book gives the “average length of life after entering prostitution as four years”. These are the days before antibiotics and Syphilis was a killer. I say this in response to your statement of how hard it was for a prostitute to get another job. In the report by Sanger, this is the statement of a prostitute. What I feel wasn’t addressed by Sanger is these women probably had few bankable skills to begin with. I believe this a compelling reason for a woman to earn money in this way.

Q3. I agree with you Sanger definitely came from a middle class point of view. Along with his antiquated view of females, he was also ignorant of the devastation of alcoholism and drug addiction – most of what the world knows about addiction today has been learned in the past 50 years. Granted the book only gives an excerpt from this paper, so it’s possible the excerpt provided doesn’t do his work justice.

Sandy said...

PR #1 to Blog 4.

1. I agree with you that the ideology of “true womanhood” has to do with the ideology of gender roles, and that according to “True Womanhood”, men and women were total opposites. I think you have an interesting point about the responsibilities of the “true” women. I totally agree with your descriptions of the roles of the women. It was True Women’s responsibility to be a big part of the domestic life. Women were supposed to work, do all kinds of housework, take care of their husbands, kids and home. On the other hand, men were mostly busy with business and politics.


2. I also agree on the point that the experience Lowell mill girls in the history of U.S. women and work was very significant and positive. However, I don’t agree that the experience that they had working at home and at the new work places were the same. The opportunity to work away from their home and get paid for their work gave the women the chance of independence and new possibilities. I think similarly, that the implications of the decline of the Lowell system were the wage cuts. Because the owners of the factories started cutting the paycheck of women, it directed these women to strike against the factory.



Textbook document (Chapter 3 pp. 169-173) – “The History of Prostitution

1. I agree that Dr. Sanger’s view of the moral nature of women was totally different. He believed that the prostitutes were victims themselves. According to Sanger’s views, prostitution was a way for them to be able to earn money to survive in the poor conditions that women were living in. However, I don’t think that Dr. Sanger could not believe that any woman would willingly have sex for money, also have sex out of marriage. According to Sanger, the one of the causes of prostitution for women is inclination, which means for some of them having sex for money was a preference.
2. I think that Dr. Sanger thinks the causes for women to become prostitutes are the circumstance of their lives. The causes of prostitution for women are mostly inclination, destitution, seduced and abandoned, drink and the desire to drink, ill-treatment of relatives, as an easy life, bad company, persuaded by prostitutes, violated and so on. And when it comes to the consequences, I totally agree with you, the consequences of prostitution for women were that these women would end up getting sexually transmitted diseases. These consequences of prostitution were the serious diseases and the spreading of venereal diseases.
3. I agree with you that Dr. Sanger's conclusions about prostitution reflects the values of his own day by his view of prostitutes is the same sometimes with the views of prostitution by the society at that time. I also agree that he had sympathy for those women who were forced to be prostitutes. He thought of them as of victims. However, I think that he also blames the society that so many women became prostitutes because of all kind of difficulties that they were having in their lives. He came to the conclusion that women did not choose to be prostitutes, they were forced to become prostitutes by their society.

rubina_blue77 said...

P.R. #2


To Deveron,

See we are going to disagree here or I am to sick to know exactly who is right or wrong but I am so confused as to why you do not agree with my answer for "true womanhood". Hmmm, I still think they were doing the same thing as they did at home which was sewing. As for making friends these women had friends in their neighborhood. Maybe not with girls from other neighborhoods but still as to the fact they were doing the same thing to me it has nothing to do with making friends but the fact that they were sewing. The only difference was that instead of using a needle and thread, they had machines that helped them make more than one linen in a short period of time. As for Dr. Sanger and those questions I believe I responded as to what I believed as my P.R. #1 on your blog #4 comments section. Ok well this is all I have left to type because I am sick and do not feel good.

Deveron said...

Hi Rubina,

I hope you are feeling better.

I still don't agree with your statement that the ideology of "true womanhood" was about men and women being totally different. Perhaps you meant to say separate spheres? The ideology was based on separate spheres - the man had his world and the woman had hers (which happened to be in the home), thus the saying of the time, "A woman's place is in the home". Another example of this is when Tennyson wrote of women staying by the hearth with their needles whilst men wielded their swords.

As far as the Lowell girls are concerned, I think you missed the part about them being farm girls or don't understand what the neighborhood of a farm girl was like in the early 19th century. There would be no friends right down the road as the next farm could be 200-1000 acres away or more. Not that it was impossible but it's just not in keeping with the way people were at the time. The kids worked on the farm too and walking a few miles on a country road to visit a friend is just not an everyday occurence. I'm sure their parents didn't allow it very often if at all. A trip to the general store to stock up on food staples such as flour, rice and sugar took place about once a month except in winter, when it was avoided. The biggest trip of the week would be to church, if the family was religious. Dad would hitch up the horses to the buckboard and off they'd go.

Anyway, it doesn't matter as we said about the same things I just wanted to point out the Lowell girls would be excited to go live in a dorm with other girls from other places and work with them. I was trying to add an element to the discussion - which is the idea behind these blogs, like we are discussing it in class.

Anywho, if I keep staying up till 2am when I have to be up at 5, I'm going to get sick and end up dropping this class. So I better shuffle off to bed.

I hope you feel better. uh, don't forget about the test on Friday.
Deveron